But Who Are They Talking To? Questions for the Biblical Manhood Movement

During August of 2010 Mark Driscoll wrote an article entitled, “The World is Filled With Boys Who Can Shave.” In his article, Driscoll laments the fact that men today are simply not growing up. Among the more memorable lines, Driscoll states, “So, we are left with indefinite adolescence and a Peter Pan Syndrome epidemic where men want to remain boys forever.” What makes this intriguing is not so much Driscoll’s article itself (apologies to Mark) but that in February of 2011 secular sociologist Kay Hymowitz published an essay in the Wall Street Journal entitled “Where Have All The Good Men Gone,” in which she decries nearly all the same problems as Driscoll.  In her article she states, “Today, most men in their 20s hang out in a novel sort of limbo, a hybrid state of semi-hormonal adolescence and responsible self-reliance.” So here we have both a believer and non-believer making similar observations. So, what’s the big deal?

The issue at stake here is that when the biblical manhood movement takes observations that are made of the general culture; subsequently transposes those realities in nearly identical fashion on the men of the church and then draws up grandiose sermons, articles and blogs based on this transposition, they end up with a host of solutions that are built on questionable foundations. Their solutions are not questionable because their assessments, at least of the culture, are on the whole inaccurate. They are questionable because of the automatic equation of the way men are in the world with the way men are in the church. The real purpose of this post is to ask the question: Who is the biblical manhood movement talking to? Are they speaking to social structures in the civil kingdom or the church? And if they are speaking to the church, why are they laying a foundation of problems that exist mostly (though not entirely) in the unregenerate world? To be sure, I am not arguing that there is no sense of fluidity between how the church and culture influence one another. That fluidity certainly exists. But at a bare minimum, I would expect that the men in the church do look somewhat different because we can say of the men in the church, “that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6). I do not have that same confidence for my presently unregenerate male counterparts.

To some this will seem like an exercise in theological hair splitting but I believe the issue is in fact quite serious. In this post and a series of subsequent posts I will argue that there are a number of serious side effects to this faulty equation. Some of those side effects are theological, some are practical and some are pastoral. After critiquing the landscape, I then hope to lay out a better way forward to insure that men are not ineffectual or overly effeminate as they pursue what God has called them to be as a man. For those who have read or listened to those in biblical manhood circles for many years, I hope that these articles will give pause for serious reflection. However, before I go any further, I want to establish the link that I am making in the actual literature of those writing on biblical manhood.

In turning back to Driscoll’s article, the connection is rather flagrant. His first sentence reads, “The world today is filled with boys who can shave.” Driscoll opens by plainly making an observation about, “the world.” In the subsequent paragraphs he proceeds to discuss general “sociological transitions.” The prevailing analysis of the first few paragraphs seems to be driven by abstract societal observation, not specific observations about the church. After making a number of observations about manhood in the general culture, Driscoll begins to apply the same reality to Christian men. Speaking anecdotally of a young Christian man who is more interested in playing video games than in working Driscoll states, “You got fired because you were up trying to get to the next level and become a guild leader. That’s dumb. That’s totally dumb.” The accusation that Christian men carry on with the same childish stupidity as unregenerate men, while not explicit, is fairly plain.

One can also see traces of such connection in Dr. Al Mohler’s writing. However I must say, I am more unclear on Dr. Mohler’s position since he has a rather forthright agenda of Christian cultural reformation. Nonetheless in his article, “Men Not at Work—A Symptom of Manhood in Crisis,” Dr. Mohler starts by referencing a New York Times piece entitled, “Men Not Working, And Not Wanting Just Any Job.” The NYT article tells the story of a man in his early 50’s who instead of working, would rather spend his time playing the piano, reading histories, etc.  Commenting on men and work Dr. Mohler goes on to state, “The Christian worldview sees work as man’s assignment—and as a Gospel issue. One who fails in this responsibility by complacency and sloth does injury to the Gospel and the cause of Christ.” While I fully agree with Dr. Mohler’s statement, the issue at hand does not concern the statements accuracy. The matter in question is why he chose to bring up an article about an unregenerate man and, in turn, use this article to make a clarion call to the men in the church regarding their responsibility to work. Again, what is being addressed? A manhood crisis in the church? Or a manhood crisis in the world?

All of this brings me to one final question and that is whether or not the realities that seem to be portrayed by the authors above, and countless others, actually exist in the church. And if those realities do exist in the church, do they exist in anywhere near the same degree as they do in the world? Surely, a black and white yes or no will never do because of the diversity of sin struggles that various men in the church face. However, I believe that speaking generally, it can be safely said that regenerate men in the church do not look like the men described in Mark Driscoll’s article or Dr. Mohler’s article. The pictures that they paint are surely an accurate portrayal of those men who belong strictly to the city of man but the same can’t be said of the men who belong to the city of God. It would appear that those who are truly regenerate, wherever they are on the path to becoming a biblical man, have a genuine desire to grow in grace and their manhood.

With the matter now firmly set before us and the question adequately framed, we can now explore the consequences that these faulty foundations have had on the discussion of biblical manhood. This is something that I hope we can explore together in the coming weeks. I regret to say that at the end of this blog I am not any closer to answering the question that I originally posed: Who is the biblical manhood movement talking to? Unfortunately, the longer we go on without vivid clarification, the more potential pitfalls lie in wait for the bride of Jesus Christ.

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13 responses to “But Who Are They Talking To? Questions for the Biblical Manhood Movement”

  1. Tanner Gish

    I’m excited to see what implications you plan on detailing for us. Let me know if I’m right in seeing this implication in this inaugural post: by creating such a wedge of delineation between “boy-men of the world” and “boy-men of the church,” are you suggesting that sloth and boyish-immaturity in the lives of a young male adult who professes Christ is reason to absolutely doubt the genuineness of their salvation? I might be jumping the gun for next weeks post. But, if immaturity is a sickness only the unregenerate can catch, and if the post seems to suggest that this is visibly true (men in the church do not look like this boyish-sloth), does that mean that the presence of immaturity is an almost certain criteria for doubting one’s salvation?

    1. Ryan M

      Tanner,

      Thanks for the comment. I appreciate your interaction with me on this matter. I certainly hope that I didn’t convey that I think if someone struggles with laziness that this is a matter for doubting one’s salvation. If someone claims to know Christ and there is wholesale capitulation to sloth that is one thing. However, no doubt, certain men will struggle with this. I might add that many men, even redeemed men, will struggle with this very sin because of the fall. In my second to last paragraph I highlighted that I believe men in the church GENERALLY want to grow in their manhood. Even if that growth they desire isn’t at the speed that we would like.

      I was more attempting to question the way in which many writers in the movement make an IDENTICAL correlation between unregenerate men and regenerate men. I think more can be said about the state of men who have the Spirit dwelling inside of them.

      -Ryan

  2. John Anthony Dunne

    Ryan, I appreciate the insight you’ve provided into the way issues of Biblical Manhood have been addressed and the distinctions you made. You’ve certainly set the stage for a fresh look at the issues that doesn’t confusedly compare apples with oranges. Definitely interested in your future posts.

  3. Andrew

    For quite some time I’ve struggled with the concept of biblical manhood especially the brand proposed by pastors like Driscoll. I’m curious to see where you take this topic and also curious to hear more about how you would define biblical manhood. .

  4. Calvin

    Very interesting post! For now, I see your argument in that it is dangerous for the issues of men in the world to be equated to the issues of men in the church, but I’m not sure I’m completely on board with you. It appears that in creating the dichotomy of regenerate and unregenerate men, you’ve completely neglected the issue of sanctification. While I agree that the men of the church SHOULD look different than the men of the world, there is always the journey of being fashioned into the image of Christ. With that being said, I look forward to your future thoughts!

  5. Ryan,

    There’s probably a point here, but right now it’s not that well stated. You write, “I would expect that the men in the church do look somewhat different because we can say of the men in the church, “that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).”

    And yeah, that makes sense. Christian men should be in a better place than non-Christian men. But this doesn’t qualify as sociological analysis of church male populations. I’d like to see you prove the point a little better before I’m on board with what you’re trying to argue.

    My own experience is that there are a greater percentage of godly Christian men than non-Christian men who are taking more of their life more seriously. Absolutely. But it is also that too many are wasting time on trivial things as well. So my guess would be that Driscoll and others have a real point about men in the church, though I suspect you’re right that it is overstated. I also suspect that in his article, Driscoll was trying to get at those Christian men who do fall into that category more than he was trying to allege that all Christian men fall into the category.

    Andrew Faris
    Someone Tell Me the Story

    1. I used to waste my time on trivial things; then I stopped paying attention to Mark Driscoll’s rants.

    2. Ryan M

      Andrew,

      I appreciate your response. Also, thanks for linking John’s article to your blog. Your blog is on my list to follow now.

      I recognize that as I embark on this endeavor, I have much to prove. People should be skeptical of me to be quite honest. I don’t have enough degrees, I am not as smart as the men I am critiquing and I am not well known compared to them. I take it back… I am not known at all compared to the men I am critiquing. For the most part, I applaud the movement and have learned much personally; even from the men that I critique. That being said, I think its message can be strengthened on a number of grounds and I hope to lay the framework for that as I move forward.

      In terms of arguing sociologically, I will attempt to address that issue in a coming post. Though my answer will likely not be what people expect.

      Please continue to interact with me on the issue. I have filed away what you have said and will attempt to address some concerns that you have brought up as I proceed.

      -Ryan

  6. anonymous

    If you feel that Driscoll and Mohler’s statements do not reflect the current state of the church, then you must be pretty sheltered. While there are many amazing, God fearing, valiant men in the church today, there are also many “boys that can shave.” I admire the aforementioned authors for tackling such an important topic in the modern church. As a man, you may not see what I see. You may even feel threatened and insecure by leaders calling for a higher standard in Biblical manhood. But as a woman, I see an absence of men who lead with integrity and justice. I know exactly who they are talking to. I know many of them by name.

    1. Ryan M

      Anonymous,

      Thanks for taking the time to read and respond to my post. I truly appreciate it. In the coming post, I will make sure I note the fact that I too value many of the things that the aforementioned authors have to say. I have learned much from them and applied many things that they have said to my own life in terms of becoming a more biblical man. I don’t want that to be lost on my critique of the movement. If anything, I hope my posts strengthen the move toward biblical manhood, rather than weaken it. Since movements are made up of men who are sinful, there is always bound to be some chaff amongst the harvest of wheat. Even if it is coming from the Al Mohler’s and Mark Driscoll’s of the world. This is no less the case with my critique. Surely, not all of it will stand because I am but a sinful man myself.

      To your particular concerns. In no way have I stated that lack of manliness is not a problem with men in the church. This is why I remarked in the second to last paragraph that a black and white answer about how men are in the church simply won’t do because there is a diversified spectrum of sin struggles for men in the church. Could men in the church be better in owning their manliness? No doubt. But is the lack of manliness in the church so severe that it can be basically equated to the way in which men live in the world? Hardly. As a matter of fact, I will argue in a coming post that if we take the promises of God seriously, we can’t agree that the men in the church look identical to the men of the world. I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

      Additionally, your arguments against my post were more ad hominem attacks on me personally than they were any sort of substantive reply to the argument that I put forth. I found this to be a bit disappointing. I would love to hear if you have any counterpoints to my actual argument.

      I look forward to interacting in the future, even if you continue to disagree with me. It is my hope that you will continue to read and interact on these posts. I very much value your input.

      -Ryan

  7. Jeremy Goad

    Ryan,
    Thanks for the time and thoughtfulness in putting together a well-written blog which brings up a point not often discussed within the church’s assessment of itself: from whence cometh the insight? May I suggest two things as you consider your next post on this very serious issue in the church?

    1. I am glad to see directly from one of your responses that you have been schooled in logic. This is unfortunately a lost art, and am happy anytime I see anyone reference it. Does your critique of Driscoll (and in a less developed way, Mohler) based on the secular article that preceded it fall into the fallacy, “post hoc ergo propter hoc” (after, therefore, because of)?

    2. Does spiritual discernment require a strictly spiritual impetus or catalyst? If truth is singular, that is, all truth is God’s truth, would it not be prudent for any shepherd of God’s flock to read such an article, through the discernment given to him by God recognize the same dilemma in the church, but (obviously) advise a different remedy for the cure than the world prescribes? For instance, all men using the majority of their free time playing video games should cut back or abstain all together, however, the pastor probably has some further advise for such a man. In both the regenerate and unregenerate man we find the same examination, same symptoms, same disease (sin, even if the secular journalist doesn’t call it such), but the regenerate man can be directed to the real remedy: picking up his cross and dying daily, mortifying his members.

    I agree with Andrew that the ethos of your argument could have been bolstered by some stronger evidence that manhood is indeed healthier in the church right now than in the world. My own experience and that of most studies I have seen or heard referenced would suggest that there is currently a significantly higher percentage of faithful women in the church then men, and that there are far fewer active fathers in the church now than at any time in verifiable history. The sum of those parts would seem to be men growing up in a church culture that doesn’t know how to grow men. Manhood may be healthier in the church now than in the world, but it would take some strong evidence for me to believe that the difference was of real significance. (And isn’t that the wonderful thing about conversation? I am excited to see such evidence! I look forward to your further thoughts on this topic! You have begun well.)

    1. Ryan M

      Jeremy,

      Thanks for reading the article and taking the time to respond. I really appreciate your critique of my critique. Haha. It will certainly help me as I move forward in this series.

      With regard to where the insight comes from… It’s really a personal story. I had issues for quite awhile trying to figure out what it meant to be a biblical man, in part because I was so desperately confused by what was being said in certain quarters of the biblcial manhood movement. I don’t think I’m the only young man who has experienced that either. My primary issues were with certain applicational points being put forth by people like Driscoll such as him stating that men need to buy houses, etc. The more I examined the problems I had with certain applications that they put forth, the more I came to believe there was a bigger root problem afoot.

      With regard to your first question, the secular article PROCEEDED the Driscoll article. It did not precede it. Regardless, the order of the articles is not important. I don’t think that I was trying to make a point by laying out the the order in which the articles appeared. I was more just pointing out the fact that the language used in both articles is similar becuase I believe that they are both ultimately speaking about the world. As opposed to Driscoll speaking about the church and Symowitz speaking about the world. Apologies if I was unclear there. Also, if I am not understanding your question correctly, please tell me.

      With regard to your second question, is it prudent to read such an article? Sure. As I stated, there is fludiity in how aspects of the civil kingdom influence the spiritual kangdom and vice a versa. We can learn certain cultural trends that may be influencing men in the church. So in this sense that it is good to know God’s truth about how men act in the world. However, to make the gigantic leap that this is how men are in the church with no substantial evidence to work off of (I will explain the lack of worthy statistical/sociological data in next week’s post) is not a wise or discerning idea in my opinion.

      Also, thank you for confirming that you agreed with Andrew in terms of me needing more data on men in the church. I plan to address that issue next week from a fairly unique perspective. I will be interested to hear what you think. Thanks for reading and I hope that you continue to interact with me as we go along.

      -Ryan

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